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I'm calling for the UFO reporting center in Washington.

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And we talked to your wife earlier today.

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I wonder if we could get a rundown of the object that you saw on the night of the 22nd

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or the morning of the 22nd.

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UFO reporting center?

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Right.

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What we'd like to do is just get your version of exactly what happened.

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Okay, we're coming at the location.

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Yes, please.

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Okay, we were in, we were driving from Chico to Yuba City.

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We just passed through a town called Gridley.

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It's a bea.

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We were approximately 13 miles from Yuba City.

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We were between two small towns, five miles apart, just leaving Gridley.

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And would highway that be on?

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Okay.

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What highway would that be on?

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That would be Highway 99.

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Okay.

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And above the trees, this is the route we usually travel, there appeared a bright light

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that had a little bit of an effect on my eyes.

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It didn't exactly blind me, but it was sort of of that dimension.

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Did you have the tendency to turn away from it?

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A little bit, but it wasn't so blinding that I couldn't see it coming traffic, but it was

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pretty bright.

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Right.

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And it looked like, I would say, whiter than yellow.

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And it looked like sort of a giant, frisbee shape.

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Only it was all light.

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And it was above the trees.

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And I first thought that somebody had mounted a light on a high tower.

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And I kept watching and I said, that must be an airplane.

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But I said, well, how come it isn't moving?

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And we drove along with our eyes fixed on it like that and a good move.

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And it stayed in that location for, I guess, I guess I'd estimate it at, it moved for maybe

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a minute and a half.

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And as we got closer, like I said, we were going to drive up and there would be a high

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tower with a light on it, if somebody put there.

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Because we were used to traveling.

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Yes.

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And we would, you know, the thing would turn or something.

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We'd discovered that it had been an airplane we were making and that it would just have

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a little illusion.

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The light slowly moved across the highway.

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And as we drove alongside it, it sort of turned and was going parallel only in our direction.

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And I estimated, oh, then the light went out or we lost, I couldn't see the right light

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anymore.

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There was this object up above us that was, I estimated initially at 500 feet, but I think

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it was lower than that, probably more like 250 feet.

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It was close enough so I could make out that it wasn't an airplane.

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I was trying to think that it must be some kind of a giant helicopter now.

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This is at 1230 in the morning.

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Right.

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And I was in traffic and, you know, I was on a two-lane highway and I was trying to

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pull over.

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And then it sort of changed, but I noticed that there, in other words, its appearance,

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because it turned sort of a slight curve back towards us or behind us.

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Well, I could make a large arc only.

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I had to feel it, I was looking at the side of it and then it sort of turned, went behind

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us and crossed back over the highway.

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But while I was doing that, I could clearly see that it wasn't an airplane.

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It had several red lights in it.

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I could see inside and I had a feeling like I was looking at some kind of a platform, a

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space platform or something.

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You know, it wasn't that large, I'd say.

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That's the thing about large is our living room.

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You say you could see inside of it?

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Yeah.

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In other words, I could see through something.

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I see, okay.

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My wife had a different vantage point.

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She saw something different, but it was pretty close to us and I was still trying to make

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out it being some kind of a different kind of space, I mean, aircraft like a giant helicopter

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because it was larger than an ordinary helicopter.

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And I had an impression of shadows in there and several lights and it was sort of illuminated

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and there were, I also felt like it was black or gray, stressed structures and a bottom

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and a top flatter level.

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But it didn't make, there wasn't a loud roar like an airplane would have made, but there

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was a noise.

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It was, that I didn't notice until after they had gone and it went behind us and seemed to

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grow quite a lot faster.

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And then it, I guess it went several miles away and then the bright light appeared again

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and it went parallel with us and along the distant horizon to the east.

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Now did that bright light seem to just engulf the whole object?

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Yes.

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Uh huh.

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Like a corona of light that built up around it?

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Well, I wouldn't say corona, I just said it, yeah, the whole thing became that light

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again.

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Right.

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Um, the whole thing became that light and then it moved along.

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It was pretty easy to follow it, so we got smaller and smaller, but then we, I thought,

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well, whatever it is, it disappeared.

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I presumed it was some kind of experimental aircraft from the Air Force base which is nearby.

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Yes.

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Then there seemed to be some strange activity over on that horizon there.

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We thought we were picking up the same lights and then periodically there were several airplanes

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that flew by and then the same bright light appeared again on that horizon and looked

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like it was coming back toward us.

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Only it never came that close again.

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We thought we'd lost it.

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We were stopping and starting and looking.

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The activity stayed quite a distance away on the horizon.

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Okay.

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Then we got into Yuba City, now we've traveled about eight miles and we've seen this activity

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over on the horizon twice and it fixed again on the second occasion.

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It fixed for a while and then moved.

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Again, it seemed like the bright light would change and there would be the impression of

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several red lights.

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At times I thought I saw a blue light and again I thought, well, am I mixing up an airplane?

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It was like three red lights and a blue light without being flashing back and forth or anything.

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What shape did this object have as you saw it?

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I didn't really make out the total shape.

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I had an impression of it was more like two circular platforms connected with struts

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with appendages.

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The dark part of it was the part I thought was it wasn't a dark.

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My impression of it was that it was like two platforms with connections and I could see

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into it and there were lights inside and shadows, shadowy things.

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Then there were, I had an impression but not clearly seen of some extension like something

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else going off on the sides and going up.

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It wasn't smooth.

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My wife's picture is a little bit different from that.

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When we got to Yuba City, which is 13 miles from where we first saw this, and we were

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on our way home, we again saw the bright light.

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This time it was sort of near our airport.

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I thought, well, now this will explain it.

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We'll drive down there and we'll see that they've got some kind of experimental gadget

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or a lot of people around there and they're making flights with this thing.

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We drove down and again it was fixed.

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Not exactly over the airport, but to the left of the airport and it was fixed.

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She said, let's go, let's drive under.

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I kept driving and it stayed fixed and it seemed like we were again going to go under

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and again that light went out and the red lights and things became apparent.

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It really moved fast again along the horizon, made a curve and we stopped and it rapidly

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got to be, I say, about 10 miles away from us or five or 10 miles away.

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Then went along again going in a circular arc parallel with where we were sitting and

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then we lost it in some trees and then we didn't see it again.

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Okay, now getting back to the first part.

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You saw that first bright white light.

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At which point did the light disappear and the colored lights come on?

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After across the highway.

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After across the, in front of you?

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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I got an impression.

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I mean, at the time I thought either, I couldn't figure out why the lights went out, but I

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thought like maybe the light shone on a certain side of it as it turned, the light would be

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on the other side, but it just seemed kind of strange that it just went out.

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Okay, now did you have the feeling that you were approaching the object or the object was

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approaching you?

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At first, at first, well it appeared out of nowhere.

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All of a sudden it was just up there.

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And then at first I thought that it was staying still and we were coming to the object.

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And then I thought, well, because I didn't think it was an object.

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I thought it was either some kind of a strange angle I had on an airplane or else it was

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a light somebody had put up.

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And as I drove, God, that's strange.

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I had to, I'll tell you, towards the end I had the feeling that it was sort of cat and

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mouse.

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What's that makes any sense?

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Did you have the feeling that you were being watched?

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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And that it was sort of cat and mouse.

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Right.

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That we came closer and moved away from it.

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In your opinion, how big was that object?

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Could you compare it with anything?

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Well, the thing we saw quite close to us, we tried to estimate it between ourselves and

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I have a feeling it's about as big as our living room.

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How big is that, ever?

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I saw 15th depart that I saw.

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I couldn't see the whole object at once, but I would estimate it to be about 18 feet.

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I have an entirely different angle on it and I saw stuff you didn't see.

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So when you're through with him, I...

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There he is.

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I tried to estimate how high it was, but it was a lot closer than I've been to most aircraft.

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Okay.

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Now those struts that you saw, which you thought were separating the two circular platforms,

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how high would you say those struts were?

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Well, those were vertical struts.

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Okay, how high would you say those were?

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Just, I know it's awful hard to make visual estimates.

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Yeah, I think at least, I would say at least, I would say sort of like, maybe like our living room,

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so probably eight feet.

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Okay.

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Were they rotating by any chance?

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The struts?

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Right.

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No, I couldn't tell.

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And this object came directly over your vehicle?

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It, it, no, it came...

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My right.

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Yeah, to the right of the vehicle.

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And I get, I would guess it was like about 50 feet, 50 feet away and then probably 250 feet above.

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Okay.

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Okay, and I'd like to talk to your wife, get her.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, I saw, I think I got a better look at it.

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It must have, the way my husband described it, it must have turned around or something, but I was looking out the window.

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My window was rolled down and we had stopped when it was finally just right out there.

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I thought kind of coming in, I didn't see the bright light.

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It looked real dark.

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And yet as it was coming, it looked like it had something jetting out which wasn't big enough to be a wing.

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And it was kind of making an angle and it looked like the same thing on the other side, but it was dark.

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And it looked behind and to the, to my right of the thing jetting out, like there was space, like I was seeing the sky,

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it also could have been a darkened window, but there was something that gave me the impression that there was space on,

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and then I wasn't seeing the complete top of it, but I was seeing the top of it, you know, as it was making an angle.

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Then I was seeing from the face down, right, a very clear picture, and it was like a big barrel shape.

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I even saw the texture. I saw ridges standing like seams.

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I don't know how to describe them like seams.

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I know I saw two seams and possibly more, but I could swear to two from the point beyond where I'd seen the space because I couldn't no longer see the space.

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I was looking at them from that on down and it seemed like the shape of a big bulky round barrel.

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And it was, as the raised seams or ridges were together, it was very bumpy, different bumpy texture, you know, very raised bumpy.

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And I can't swear that the whole body was bumpy, but it was a dull finish and it might have been pounded.

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I don't remember now if the whole thing was bumpy, but I distinctly remember the bumpy pattern on these two seams that seemed to be,

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from where I was looking at it, at least sticking out two feet all the way around.

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Then I could see the color of being, instead of a black, it was like an antique copper, a dark copper color, brass, I mean, not copper, again.

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And then I was trying to get my door open and I couldn't.

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I'm peeking out and then I saw on this thing that set it out, a very distinct U because I was thinking, well, maybe it's going to say U.S.

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Air Force or something, but I said, well, there wouldn't even be room for an S. It was a U, a definite U, which was maybe two feet all the way around, you know, like a double, you know, a Y.

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You're talking about the letter U?

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The letter U.

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On the side of this thing?

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On the thing that was setting out.

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Okay.

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It was a U shape thing.

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Well, it was a shape like a U.

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Uh-huh.

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I thought at the time it was a U shaped thing.

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I think what probably happened is it turned us, and it looked like there was more figures on the other side, more white, not white, white, like white, white paint is what I was thinking of at the time.

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But I couldn't make out the figures.

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It wasn't, it was because of the angle that it was at.

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And in speculation, I think that was lights coming through a clear, clear white, translucent plastic like, you know, lights coming, I mean, white, something like that.

235
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Yes.

236
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Perhaps as it turned at that certain angle, it lit up the body of the craft so I could distinguish the two definite ridges or things or whatever in the texture and the color.

237
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Okay.

238
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And you spoke of the object, the U shape like a barrel.

239
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Would this be a barrel on its side or upright?

240
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It would be on its side.

241
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Okay.

242
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And then my husband seems to describe it upright, so perhaps it should be.

243
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No, not upright.

244
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No.

245
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It just didn't, what I saw didn't look like a barrel at all to me.

246
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Well, this I could.

247
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Well, we were looking at it at a different, at slightly different time.

248
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Right.

249
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I couldn't really see an outline.

250
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I just thought different, quite different glutes of the stuff that was outlined were a different thing because how did you see it?

251
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What was the, how was it illuminated at all?

252
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Well, I, it must have been from, there must have been lights that have a big white fade.

253
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I don't know.

254
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You didn't see any red lights, huh?

255
00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:22,880
No, I didn't see any red.

256
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Then he cuts out of the car and he saw the lights in front.

257
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I didn't see that at all.

258
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Did you step out of the car?

259
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Yeah, she saw it first.

260
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Uh-huh.

261
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She was looking out the side window and she thought, I guess it's about two or three seconds before I thought and then I got out of the car and looked at it and that's about the time it left us and she was munching with her door at that time.

262
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So I thought a slightly different time than she did but it was only a couple of seconds different, I think.

263
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Okay.

264
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Maybe five seconds.

265
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How long in your estimate would this entire operation last?

266
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The time we first sighted it, the whole time.

267
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For the time you actually saw it right by our car.

268
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Well, do you mean that, that the whole event?

269
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The duration of the whole event, yes.

270
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We saw it now, it took an hour.

271
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One hour, okay, and you stopped frequently during this period.

272
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Right.

273
00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:30,880
Okay.

274
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Yeah, we got home at 1.30 and it was about 12.35 when we saw it.

275
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I don't remember whether you said you heard any sound.

276
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I couldn't describe the sound to you but I know I heard it down because my window was down and I was listening for the sound to come to the door.

277
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It must be a helicopter so I was listening for the sound of a helicopter and I remember thinking, no, that's not the sound a helicopter makes.

278
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And then I thought, well, it's being so close, an airplane would have about drowned you out and it was softer than an airplane but I couldn't describe the sound to you.

279
00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:07,880
Okay, now, you estimate that when it got to your wife's side of the car, the thing was about 50 feet away and about 250 feet altitude.

280
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Yeah, I guess so.

281
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Maybe 100 feet away.

282
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I think it was closer than, I think it was closer to the ground than to, I think it turned the telephone poles, I think it was no more than four telephone poles, a high.

283
00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:18,880
Uh-huh.

284
00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:20,880
Well, that's about 200 feet away.

285
00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:25,880
Okay, well, these distance and everything are hard to estimate visually.

286
00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,880
Okay, is there anything you can add to that?

287
00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:32,880
Have you had any strange experiences since then, such as dreams?

288
00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:37,880
No, I just, I'm just all teed up. I've been teed up. I can't get the picture out of my mind.

289
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Well, one interesting thing is that, is that somebody, as she told at the street, was talking to somebody at work, he worked about it and he lives in the Oregon house, which is in the foothills to the east of us, which,

290
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and he said earlier that same night, around 9.30.

291
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He wasn't sure if it was Monday or Tuesday.

292
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Monday or Tuesday, and he had described seeing, independently, he had described to my wife over the phone, and I haven't talked to him in a, seeing this unusual white light and then strange red light.

293
00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,880
And I hadn't talked to him at all. I heard her talking to him just before you called.

294
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:33,880
In fact, it wasn't, uh, it was about a minute, uh, just as you call him, you're going to call him to get a better description, because it, I have been thinking

295
00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:38,880
that there must be some other explanation than outer space. There must be something like,

296
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Not what I saw.

297
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:48,880
I'm trying to make it into experimental, um, some kind of a thing for Beale. They don't want to tell us about it.

298
00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:49,880
Yes.

299
00:21:49,880 --> 00:22:03,880
And then, but then, or that it was a giant helicopter or some sort that some guy was mucking around, then it seems unlikely at 12.30 in the morning this would be so, and why it would behave so strangely.

300
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Also, what, what I saw looked like it, it'd be a company, an enormous amount of money to build, like no private person could, could put together something like that.

301
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:23,880
Um, but he described from his description to her, and then she was talking about it. It sort of, it seemed to set a lot of the things I had seen.

302
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:24,880
Right.

303
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,880
And, uh, what can you, can you tell us anything?

304
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:36,880
Well, all I can say is that we're getting a lot of reports of unknown objects in the sky in your area of California in the last three weeks.

305
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,880
Have you ever had anyone see the top of the textures in the body like that?

306
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:40,880
Oh, yes.

307
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Has it been described the same way?

308
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:49,880
Oh, it's variously described as, uh, looking like a, the surface of a golf ball or a chitted or...

309
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,880
Well, did they see the ridges on it? They were so pronounced.

310
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We have had reports of ridges, yes.

311
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Uh-huh.

312
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But we would appreciate it very much if, uh, both of you would fill out one of our questionnaires and get together and fill out the one.

313
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It's, uh, important data that we need for our research program that would take you just about 30 minutes.

314
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:12,880
Oh, I'd love to. I'd love to get to the bottom of it.

315
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:18,880
Well, how do we, how do we get what's going on with your research? That's part of fascinating to me.

316
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,880
Uh-huh. Well, we'll send you what data that we have, what printed matter that we have.

317
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,880
Do you have anything that, uh, fits my description?

318
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,880
Oh, yes. Especially the behavior of that bright light.

319
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:35,880
Now, he saw the lights when I got out of the car. I didn't see the lights up close.

320
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:36,880
How about the red lights?

321
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,880
Oh, yes. The red lights are very common.

322
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Red lights, blue lights, uh, and bright white lights.

323
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Do they get, um...

324
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,880
We feel as part of the power system, control system of the object.

325
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:54,880
They appear to be operating in complete defiance of gravity, and we feel this has something to do with it.

326
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Do they, uh, um...

327
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,880
Is anybody seen inside the craft?

328
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,880
Yes. It's a very rare thing, but they have.

329
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:06,880
How do they describe? What are they, what are...

330
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,880
Because I feel like I'm seeing inside something.

331
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:16,880
Well, the descriptions vary, of course, anywhere from, uh, seen instrument panels and controls to actually seeing the occupants.

332
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:18,880
What do they say about the occupants?

333
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,880
Do they actually see the occupants, or do they see the atoms?

334
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:26,880
Well, short, short people, both. Both, uh, quite distinctly outlined in shadows.

335
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:37,880
I had a distinction, uh, uh, you know, I was, there being activity going on in there, and with some shadowy things going on, but I didn't see any little pictures.

336
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:38,880
Uh-huh.

337
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,880
Well, gee, with that, is there any pattern to it yet?

338
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:45,880
No, not yet.

339
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:47,880
Well, we sure appreciate, uh...

340
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:49,880
What if we're monitoring our telephone?

341
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:51,880
Uh, could be.

342
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,880
How long have you been into this?

343
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:55,880
Oh, we've been in it 21 years.

344
00:24:55,880 --> 00:25:08,880
Where? Is there, have you patterned, uh, sightings like this, or is it sort of, uh, any pattern to the concentration of, uh...

345
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,880
No, not really. It fluctuates from place to place.

346
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:18,880
And of course, what we usually try to, when we see a heavy concentration of activity, we try to find out why they're picking on that particular area.

347
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,880
Any reason, uh, figure out any reason why they pick on an area?

348
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:30,880
No. Well, yes, we have two. Sometimes, uh, defense installations, military bases, certain types of industrial areas.

349
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,880
Do, uh... What about daytime sightings?

350
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:37,880
Very rare.

351
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:44,880
Yeah, because, uh, several months ago, I was driving along the highway home, and I had that.

352
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,880
And I have about a five-mile drive.

353
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:52,880
And there was a very bright reflection, um, about...

354
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,880
It was off to the right of the car again.

355
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,880
And it was very definite. I thought it was like light shining off a wing.

356
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:02,880
And it, and it was pretty bright.

357
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:04,880
And it was at the daytime.

358
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,880
And it lasted for, uh, about 15 seconds.

359
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:18,880
And then it disappeared. And I looked to see what it was up there that had been making that, that, that light reflection.

360
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:20,880
And I couldn't see anything.

361
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:28,880
And I had something like that similar to that happen, oh, maybe five years ago.

362
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:34,880
Has anyone seen that you, that white you, shaped, uh, you shape on that thing that just now?

363
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:36,880
No.

364
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:43,880
The answers you've come up with in the past, have they been, have you usually found some natural reason to do that?

365
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:49,880
Oh, yes, for some, yes. We have, uh, we, first we try to determine what these things are not.

366
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:55,880
And then, uh, if we can't explain them away, why we put them into the unknown category.

367
00:26:55,880 --> 00:27:01,880
So, uh, we've had, uh, well, several thousand unknowns.